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    Talking Finally free of emet

    I don't remember a time before I was emet and I'm 33 years old which is why it still feels a bit strange not to be afraid of vomiting anymore.

    I would always have periods where I was doing ok, I could live my life in a normal way full of friends, school, work, travel, eating out and not be anxious all the time. In those times I would only panic if I truly was going to vomit or if I encountered someone else doing it.

    But the bad times would always come back, especially in the winter. I had several 'breakdowns' where I would be unable to work or go to school or do anything except cry and shake. I wouldn't sleep or eat or be able to think about anything except how terrified I was. Now that I look back on it, they were always times when other things in my life weren't going well either.

    I reached my limit at the end of February of this year when my husband had noro. I had a 7 month old baby at the time and I spent an entire week barely sleeping or eating in complete terror of either of us coming down with it.

    When I finally calmed down enough to think straight, I looked down at my daughter and saw how much she had changed in just that week that I had spent trapped in my own misery. She had 2 new teeth, was babbling differently and could crawl! For some reason that made me cry more than anything in my life. I pictured how much of my life I had already missed out on because of this phobia and how much more I could miss out of hers if I let it continue. That is the moment that everything changed, it was the beginning of the end of emet for me.

    I decided that if I was going to get better it wouldn't just be one thing that fixed it because if it were that easy then I would have been fixed long ago. So I decided to attack it from every angle I could. I will lay out the steps I took in case anyone else wants to know what it took.

    The first thing I knew I needed was to become less anxious over all so I could face things. That was the thing that always made me 'less' emet. It's different for everyone but I relax by a combination of exercise (long walks every day), daily hot baths and reading in bed. I made sure that I made some time for myself every day.

    I also knew that I was less likely to be having obsessive thoughts if I had something constructive to obsess over, so I got myself a project. I went on a massive spring cleaning binge and purged the house of everything we didn't need. By the time I was done with that noro season was over and I was out of the habit of obsessing about it.

    I started writing a book about my life with emet. I worked on it every day until I finished my first draft, then I started editing. I planned to add the final chapter when I was all better. That would feel like closure.

    I went back to therapy. I had already met with a dr. and learned how exposure worked, but I got another dr. and would check in with my progress every 2 weeks while I did most of the work myself. She would make suggestions.

    I did exposure. I found the pictures and videos easier to look at all the time. But it was the real life exposure that helped the most. If there was vomiting on tv, I wasn't allowed to turn away. It got less scary. If there was vomit on the ground I had to do a big stare at it. If I heard someone gagging/coughing in public I couldn't cover my ears.

    I started letting my daughter touch everything and taking her to play groups. She picked up a bunch of stomach bugs and when she vomited I would make myself stay and comfort her, cleaning up afterwards. It got less scary every time she was sick because when I faced it I realized it wasn't going to hurt me. It was just chewed up food I realized! How is that dangerous?

    I started letting myself experience the feelings of nausea without trying to stop them. I learned to tell the difference between indigestion, anxiety, being too hot or cold, ect without assuming I had noro every time I felt a bit off.

    I signed out a big stack of CBT books from the library hoping to learn more. The best thing I found was a graph of anxiety vs exposure sessions. I saw how every time someone was exposed to something the anxiety went down a whole level and after about 5 exposures even the most terrifying thing became almost nothing.

    I started looking all all other areas of my life and other behaviors and trying to change what was negative. I realized I was very passive aggressive, I never faced people directly when problems arose but would either deal with it by manipulating them, making offhand comments or 'bottle and blow' where I would put up with crap until I couldn't take it anymore and then cause a huge fight. I started telling people when they upset me instead. I also recognized which people were just poison in general and cut them out of my life.

    I stopped forcing myself to do things I didn't like to do if I didn't have to. I had all these stupid little goals that made me feel bad for not doing them even though they weren't a huge deal. I gave up on any project that was holding me down. (I gave away all my yarn. I hate knitting.)

    I got more organized so things wouldn't pile up and stress me out. I started a 'list book' where every week I write lists of things I need to do on one page, and the other page I would write my appointments and what I planned to cook for dinner each night. I also had a daily checklist of little things I need to do but often forget so I could remind myself.

    I stopped letting my parents tell me what to do and did some soul searching about what I want to do with my life. THEY wanted me to have a full time career. I found I'm really happy as a stay at home mom and only plan to work part time once my daughter goes to school. It's my life, not theirs. If my mom hadn't have been stressed out all the time she might not have projected her own anxiety onto me and I wouldn't be emet.

    Things were improving rapidly but still my fear of noro remained. This is because the last time I had it I was at a very low point in my life. I had left an abusive relationship the week before and my coping skills were terrible and my anxiety was out of control. My memories of that illness were awful as a result. I knew that deep down the emet wouldn't fully be gone until I got noro and faced it with my newfound strength, but the idea terrified me. I knew God would make it happen when I was ready, but I didn't think I was ready yet!

    But then my daughter got noro and I helped look after her. And then when my husband got it I knew it was very contagious. I thought about how stressed out I was the last time he had it and made a concious choice to not go out of my way to avoid catching it beyond basic hygeine. I caught it.

    The whole time I had it all I could think of was how it wasn't scary at all, just uncomfortable. I fought the sick feeling more than vomiting and when I did vomit I felt better afterwards, especially the second time when I decided that I LOVED vomited. I felt like a million dollars when i was done and wanted so badly to hold that thought forever!

    That was one week ago and it's been a strange week. I've had some residual nausea, but the thought that always pops into my head is 'it's ok if you vomit, you'll feel better after'. I've also still had some anxiety attacks, but not because I'm afraid to vomit, just because my body decided to take over and feel anxious. It was weird to really think about them while they happened and realize how similar anxiety feels to nausea. It's uncomfortable. But without the fear of vomiting I can tell myself 'if you're sick you'll throw up and feel better, if this is an anxiety attack then it will just go away on its own in a few minutes'. Either way the anxiety fades pretty quickly when you think that way. I doubt I'll even have the attacks anymore at all soon.

    I've been lurking here quite a bit in the past week, fascinated to be an 'outsider' for the first time in my life. Because I clearly remember being emet, but now I can also see the behaviors with a bit of disbelief, the way all the non emets in my life must have in the past. I always thought if I ever recovered I would want to do something with it, to help other emets. But now I find it too frustrating to even listen to some of it because I see how self destructive some of the behavior is and it's too hard to watch knowing that it's only making people worse. This is why like most recovered emets, I'll be long gone and far away soon. I've spent my whole life dealing with this, I would like to be free, really free from all of it now.

    I'm finishing up my book now. I've written a novel before and now how competitive the publishing world is, but if I ever self publish it I'll put a link up here in case anyone wants to get a copy.

    It's funny that after all this time I finally realized something huge that's so incredibly simple that I can't believe I never saw it before:

    I wasn't anxious because I was afraid of vomiting. I was afraid of vomiting because I was anxious.

    So to beat this phobia you only need to do two things:
    1. Find a way to make yourself less anxious
    2. Face your fear a little at a time as a less anxious person so you can discover that it never was a danger to begin with

    You'll all find different ways to make yourself less anxious and you'll all find different ways to face it, but with that and the desire to get better more than anything else in the world, you can be free of emet too.
    "If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."- Thomas Paine

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    good luck to you......i was a bit taken aback by this part......actually think it's sort of rude .....
    I've been lurking here quite a bit in the past week, fascinated to be an 'outsider' for the first time in my life. Because I clearly remember being emet, but now I can also see the behaviors with a bit of disbelief, the way all the non emets in my life must have in the past. I always thought if I ever recovered I would want to do something with it, to help other emets. But now I find it too frustrating to even listen to some of it because I see how self destructive some of the behavior is and it's too hard to watch knowing that it's only making people worse. This is why like most recovered emets, I'll be long gone and far away soon. I've spent my whole life dealing with this, I would like to be free, really free from all of it now.

    i am not a "panic poster".......so i don't feel that you are talking about me.......but i'm afraid that statement might cause some people in here to feel a little less comfortable about posting. i find reading posts and trying to comfort someone helps me be less anxious myself.......so to each his own.

    i'm happy that you're "cured" but i just feel like that whole section could have been left off.........
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    I am sorry if I offended you but I was simply explaining why I find it hard to come back here now that I'm newly cured and I finally understand how all the non-emets could have become frustrated with me in the past.

    It's not even the panic posts that bother me but when someone posts something clearly in the hopes of beating the fear, not avoiding vomiting and nobody seems to get the point and puts avoidance advice that would clearly make the person worse if they were to follow it.

    I know that you olschesky are always posting encouraging messages to people. But I also clearly remember one time earlier this year when another emet on here was really excited to go on a cruise and was a little nervous and you told her you would never go on a cruise because they were full of noro. Do you remember that? I found it very offensive because this girl was making a huge step to move forward with her life, doing something incredibly brave that would help her beat this and you posted something completely unecessary that could have stopped her.

    I am not trying to put anyone down, but I'm just saying that for me to hang out on these boards newly recovered would be like someone in AA going to hang out at a bar.
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    Hi Lisa,

    I am SO happy for you! You worked hard to reach this point and be free of this stupid phobia that turns otherwise normal people into prisoners of their own mind. I completely understand why you want to be completely free of anything "emet" and good for you! I am not yet completely recovered but I have made tremendous progress in the last year... and so I completely understand your frustration when you read things on this board that make people worse instead of better. But I guess we have to keep in mind that we were once like "them" and I know for myself, had someone told me, say, 2 years ago that I had to FACE it.... OMG I would have flipped and torn a piece off their hide haha. But now that I'm on the "well into recovery" side of it, I see very clearly that all the avoiding I was doing before was just keeping me more emetophobic instead of keeping me "safe".

    People should really stop jumping on others who post about their recovery and their OPINIONS. For example, I should be able to say "I think those of you who insist on posting panic posts like to wallow in your emetophobia and have no desire to get well" (I don't believe this, just using it as an example)... but I should be able to say that without someone jumping all over it telling me how mean and insensitive I am. The only response should be "that's your opinion." Just like Lisa should be able to say that she wants nothing to do with anything emet now that she's "cured" - that's her right. If we can't do that then the owner of this board should rename it to, "THE LET'S STAY EMETOPHOBIC SOCIETY".

    Okay, waiting for the usual suspects to jump all over this now. Let's hear it.

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    Thats great! (:

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisalulu View Post
    I wasn't anxious because I was afraid of vomiting. I was afraid of vomiting because I was anxious.
    By the way, this is HUGE! We should all tattoo it on our foreheads so we can see it in the mirror every morning when we get up.

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    i'm sorry if i did make that comment about going on a cruise to someone who was getting ready to go.....i don't remember it.....but i can see myself saying that only if the person had already gone and had a good time.......

    i'm happy that you're cured......we all hope for that someday.......i just don't feel that whole paragraph was necessary.......not everyone here has gotten to a good point yet......and are doing the best they can with the knowledge they have.......maybe you were never as desperate as some of these people are......i know that i haven't but would never post that i can't read it anymore..........

    done with this......sorry if i started something........i'll just stick to my comfort posts....
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    Quote Originally Posted by lisalulu View Post
    I am sorry if I offended you but I was simply explaining why I find it hard to come back here now that I'm newly cured and I finally understand how all the non-emets could have become frustrated with me in the past.

    It's not even the panic posts that bother me but when someone posts something clearly in the hopes of beating the fear, not avoiding vomiting and nobody seems to get the point and puts avoidance advice that would clearly make the person worse if they were to follow it.

    I know that you olschesky are always posting encouraging messages to people. But I also clearly remember one time earlier this year when another emet on here was really excited to go on a cruise and was a little nervous and you told her you would never go on a cruise because they were full of noro. Do you remember that? I found it very offensive because this girl was making a huge step to move forward with her life, doing something incredibly brave that would help her beat this and you posted something completely unecessary that could have stopped her.

    I am not trying to put anyone down, but I'm just saying that for me to hang out on these boards newly recovered would be like someone in AA going to hang out at a bar.
    I think its wonderful you are free of it. I loved your story.

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    [QUOTE=olschesky;290265]i'm sorry if i did make that comment about going on a cruise to someone who was getting ready to go.....i don't remember it.....but i can see myself saying that only if the person had already gone and had a good time.......

    She hadn't left yet. And you told her all about this cruise ship docked near you where 400 people had gotten noro, they have brought it back for cleaning and the next time out 100 people had caught it. She went and googled her ship and found out it had also had a noro outbreak a few months before and was freaking out- because not only had you told her that cruise ships get noro outbreaks, you also told her that cleaning it didn't work. If someone afraid of flying was about to go on a plane for the first time would you bring up a bunch of plane crashes from the recent news? Because you're more likely to die in a car wreck in your own town than a plane crash and more likely to get noro at home from a loved one than on a cruise. I have a friend who works for a cruise line and has spent half his time on ships for a decade now. He's never been on a ship with noro.

    That 'paragraph' was my own opinion on what's destructive about some posts on this site and it was in my own thread. I didn't hijack someone else's thread or name names, although I am singling you out for the exact behavior I was talking about now that you've brought it up.

    I wasnt 'cured' yet when I found these things offensive, I was just working towards it and now that I am cured I find them offensive still because there are people on here in different stages of recovery but some people on here are too dense to realize that they are saying things that will hold them back.
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    Lisa I thought it was terrible that people tried to rain on your parade with recovering. I posted in that section though, you were telling us some things that the phobic mind doesn't want to hear. I remember if somebody as much as suggested I might throw up I would be anxious as heck, furious or both. Thankfully I'm beyond that, but I can understand the sentiment. As far as your book, I've been told that Amazon now allows you to self-publish, I don't know if it's expensive or anything, but if it isn't much money you might give it a shot. At worst you'll be a published author at best a lot of people will read your story and might be helped by it. I wish you the best of luck in your new emet free life and hope that it NEVER comes back.

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    It's great you're recovered! I'm very jealous because I'm quite sick of this, almost debilitating, phobia. I have to ask, will this work for everyone? I want to be cured but I feel that I will always be afraid of vomiting, I'll never be okay with having a stomach virus and vomiting. How did you get past that? I wish I was as stong as you and hopefully one day I'll have an experience, like yours with your daughter, and want to make a change. Congratulations! Enjoy your new life!

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    wow....for not wanting to single anyways out.....i'm not feeling the love......i apologized for what i said....once again....i try not to upset people here ....

    i think that's the main reason i found this statement so unnecessary......




    I always thought if I ever recovered I would want to do something with it, to help other emets. But now I find it too frustrating to even listen to some of it because I see how self destructive some of the behavior is and it's too hard to watch knowing that it's only making people worse.


    i feel very fortunate to lead a pretty normal life,.....married , own and work a business. can eat out, go to movies.....been an emet for over 50 years.....most of which i never even knew it had a name.......for me, my panics are private.......so what you said doesn't really affect me......but i wonder about those who do post in a panic.....i thankfully can come here without letting most of the posts effect my anxiety level.....i actually feel comfort in trying to help someone else make it through the scarey part......

    so once again....good luck....and goodbye
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    Lisa your story sounds amazing and while I was reading it, I recognized so many emotions and realizations that I have been experiencing in my own life. A few months ago my phobia was through the roof and I didn't know why. I would panic in the middle of the night, call my boyfriend at 4 am and BAWL MY EYES out at the thought of riding the subway the next day. But exactly like you said, I realized that my phobia correlated directly with the amount of anxiety that I was experiencing at the time. My stress was at an all new high, I was going through a hard time, I had just graduated college and moved to Chicago to work with my brother and it wasn't working out. I was waiting tables and didn't know what to do with my life. I decided to seek help but didn't realize that one of the things that was hindering my recovery the most was reading obsessively this forum. I don't want to start controversy but it was statements like the one you mentioned before about the girl excited to go on the cruise and someone made her think about possible noro breakouts that would freak the HELL out of me. This forum gave me so many ideas about things that I had never thought about in my life. I am a world traveler, have flown in planes my entire life and have never been afraid nor witnessed vomit on a plane but after visiting this forum I developed a HUGE phobia of planes. I think this forum is great for encouraging people the way you have with your story. By listening to each other panic and talk about what makes them panic is not going to help anyone and I think it only hurts everyone. To me, as an emet what I want to hear about is how to get BETTER, not how to get worse.

    Anyway, I completely agree with the statement you made about being an outsider and getting frustrated with the things written on here. I too feel somewhat of an outsider now. I recently filmed a show for the Discovery Health channel which will be airing in the next month on TV and it is going to be a show that follows 4 different people with 4 different phobias. I think the title is "Bizarre Phobias". Well I am one of the people. It was the ultimate exposure for me and it was a tremendous experience. It completely changed my life. I am not cured but I am almost there. I still have a lot of anxiety and I'm not sure it will go away, it might just be genetic but my thinking is way more rational now than before. I'm not so afraid anymore. And while I was reading your story about your husband catching noro and you hiding with your daughter to avoid it, I thought in my head thats exactly what I would do. Then I started to become very nervous thinking about noro season coming up and what I was going to do, how I was going to avoid it, what would i do if i caught it. But when I read that you decided to face it and catch it yourself I started to feel relieved and reminded myself that THAT is what needs to be done. After doing this show, every time I came in contact with vomit I would get scared until I reminded myself that every exposure, every instance is going to HELP ME! And now I'm almost obsessed w/ vomit. Every time its on tv i purposely watch it, I love it, I cant get enough of it. before it was something I would run outside and cover my eyes and ears and now I can handle it without even a tinge of nausea of queasiness. All emets need to understand that EXPOSURES are key and if you ever want to recover you have to face the vomit. there is NO other way. And once you do it, it gets easier and easier. I cant say I'm a pro, I'm no where near it, but atleast I know this fact and it gets me through the day. I am really proud of you and I hope that I can make the same awesome recovery that you did! I bet having a child is what really makes the difference because you're pretty much around vomit all the time. I hope I didnt offend anyone by writing this, but I'll be honest. This forum is detrimental to your recovery if you sit around and read the panicky posts all day. I know its therapeutic for some, but its actually hurting not only you but everyone else. We need more people like Lisa and other recovered emets to write their stories because those are the actual posts that help everyone. Well thats just my opinion, I'm not asking anyone to agree with it, but as someone who has seen the light, I feel like I should share it.
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    I know exactly what you both mean. To be honest, I'm feeling a lot more 'recovered' since reading your posts, simply because I can see how bizarre some of the avoidance behaviour is. My method of treating this phobia has always been to face up to things and tell myself 'don't be rediculous'. I was feeling like a failure because there were three incidents within a few weeks that resulted in full blown panic attacks. (bearing in mind I am only phobic about others, that's a lot!). And after those, I took a step back and went back to flinching everytime I hear a cough. But I think the crucial difference is avoidance behaviours are somewhat of a conscious and rational decision 'if I do that I will expose myself' whereas flinching is a pure reflex, as is a panic attack to a degree. After reading these forums I have vowed to myself I will never avoid anything because of my phobia again.

    P.S. Another post about a cruise, this time people are sharing their worst nightmares- some of which aren't even based on fact.

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    I'm realizing now that emet is almost all about control. We both calm and aggravate our anxiety by controlling everything- what we touch, what we eat, our cleaning habits, the people we avoid, even our breathing to avoid being sick. When you let go of control in any area of your life it can be extremely liberating. I wasn't just controlling my emet but so many aspects of my life and because of it I was very anxious and unhappy.

    My mother was a very anxious and controlling person. She had to have complete silence to sleep at night and it meant nobody was allowed to stay up past 9 pm or get a snack after a certain time or watch tv or use the computer. We couldn't shut the bathroom door if we had to go in the night because the noise might wake her. She even yelled at my sister for reading a newspaper in bed with her door shut because the pages were too loud! This wasn't when we were little either, we were in our 20's and home on school holidays! She was so anxious about not getting enough sleep that she dealt with it by controlling her environment completely!

    Unless you live alone you can't live this way and most of us want people in our lives. When I moved in with my husband I learned very fast that I was going to have to let things go or fight and be miserable all the time. And the same with germs. You can be so careful to wash your hands yourself but if you're married or have kids you can bet that they won't be as careful and will bring sickness into the house. You can hound them to be like you but then you're either pushing your own anxieties on them, which will lead to misery in their lives or they will just learn to lie to you about it- and bring sickness home anyway!

    Letting it all go truly will make you feel better. Sickness is a part of life. It's not even dangerous! You just feel crappy for a day and then are fine. Being afraid is so much worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcepeda View Post
    All emets need to understand that EXPOSURES are key and if you ever want to recover you have to face the vomit. there is NO other way. And once you do it, it gets easier and easier.

    This forum is detrimental to your recovery if you sit around and read the panicky posts all day. I know its therapeutic for some, but its actually hurting not only you but everyone else. We need more people like Lisa and other recovered emets to write their stories because those are the actual posts that help everyone. .
    Very well said.

    Exposure is THE necessary evil that leads to recovery. I know at some point we all believe we can find a way around it and still recover - not true. Just like you can't overcome a fear of driving without actually getting behind the wheel of a car at some point.

    Now, exposure doesn't mean you have to stick a finger down your throat... but it does mean that you have to stop the crazy thoughts and behaviours that we think will keep us away and safe from everything vomit. It won't. It'll only keep us "sick". Sick with emetophobia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisalulu View Post
    I'm realizing now that emet is almost all about control. We both calm and aggravate our anxiety by controlling everything- what we touch, what we eat, our cleaning habits, the people we avoid, even our breathing to avoid being sick. When you let go of control in any area of your life it can be extremely liberating. I wasn't just controlling my emet but so many aspects of my life and because of it I was very anxious and unhappy.
    Also very well said. Absolutely! That's why emetophobia is an Anxiety Disorder and NOT a vomiting disorder.

 

 

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