Toddler sick-go figure :(

[charzysbebe]

Just when I decided to get away from these boards for a while, go figure, I need some support here. [img]smileys/smilies_12.gif[/img]


This will be sort of a long-winded story, and I need some opinions...


Ok, just about a week ago, my 12 year old daughter, my 15 month old son, (Parker) and I, all woke up one morning with a sore throat. No biggy. All me and my daugher had were just the slight sore throats for a day or 2, and maybe a few sneezes...although, my 15 month old had the full blown deal. He had the runny nose, congestion, coughing, etc with it.


Well, so my daughter and I got better after the 2 days, but Parker still had a runny nose and a night-time cough. In fact, I had to give him nebulizer treatments (asthmatic) while he was sleeping at night, so his coughing would calm down. He has still had the cough, and has yet to fully recover.


So....yesterday, I took him to the store with me, (and my germ gear...purell, and cart cover...lol) and I noticed terrible wheezing and congestion. It seemed to subside on its own by the time we got home. Well, get this... *graphic*


I went to class last night, and things were just great!! They were great all day yesterday too! Anyways, back to my story...I got home at about 8:15pm last night, and did my usual routine; I threw a frozen pizza in the oven, (boy was I starved!) and went upstairs to get into my "lounging" clothes. As I was changing clothes, I heard a gag down at the bottom of the stairs. (Parker was waiting for me to come back down) I thought, "no big deal, he gags on phlegm all the time". WRONGO!! I was coming down the stairs, only to see vomit all on the steps. [img]smileys/smilies_11.gif[/img]


I instantly got pissed off, and yelled at my husband, "DIDN'T YOU NOTICE? DIDN'T YOU HEAR HIM???" That started a big argument, because I was totally stressing. So my husband cleaned it all up, and I figured Parker just gagged on phlegm and vomited. I checked on my pizza that was in the oven, and came and sat down on the couch and Parker climbed up there to sit with me. He gagged once, and then the second time, he vomited all over the couch!! By this time I was really freaking, and totally lost all desire to eat my pizza. In fact, I tossed it in the garbage. (that really upsetted me, because I knew then, that "emet anorexia" was beginning.


(I forgot to mention that Parker had diarrhea just before he vomited on the stairs. It was wierd for him to have that, and it sort of disturbed me.)


So, the night just got progressively "better"! We put Parker to bed at around 11pm, and I did some homework. He was totally fine up until 2am. I heard him whining in his crib. I knew that if I went in there, there would be vomit every where!! And yep....I was right. My instincts told me to wake up my husband and have him clean up the mess, but guess what?? I did it all by myself!! I cleaned Parker up, put clean clothes on him, cleaned his bedding, and even changed another diarrhea diaper!! [img]smileys/smilies_04.gif[/img]I was so proud of myself! But...after he did it again, 20 minutes later, I was tired and drained, so I woke my husband up to clean him up again. We then decided that we didn't want Parker to get dehydrated, so hubby took him to the ER at about 3am. Yeah, I was scared...yeah, I was hoping it was just an ear infection, or something of that nature. Well, hubby called me from the ER and told me that Parker has a VIRUS!!!![img]smileys/smilies_03.gif[/img]Well, ok....I understand that! (I guess)


Now this is where opinions are needed....


First of all, it doesn't seem like a stomach flu, simply because of all of the phlegm and coughing, and fever does it? Also when he vomited last night, it was like he only vomited "selective" stuff, like a hotdog he had earlier in the day, and his water that he had just drank. He ate a ton of pizza while I was at school and grape soda, and a snack, but none of that showed up in his vomit! Wonder why?

[jennyleigh1975]

Charlotte!!!! First I am sending a great big mommy hug to you!!!! Im sorry your little one is not feeling well.

This is my two cents ........... I would think that if he is only vomiting when his fever is not controlled (like when the Tylenol wears off) then it doesnt seem like a virus. Also, you said he has a bad cold, I know all that phlem and stuff in his stomach along with the fever could make him nauseous and vomit. I know how I feel when just my sinuses are draining!!!!

Seriously, I thinkif he had a virus, he would be vomiting the Tylenol back up too. I think it is something to do with the cold. I would go to his regular doc in the morning if he isnt any better.

Keep us posted on how he is doing.

[tink]

I'm not sure if it is a virus or not. But I am very proud of you for cleaning it up! That was very brave, and I hope your husband sees how much you are trying to deal with this!

Good job! And I hope your son feels better soon.

--Kim

[uidactinide]

Awwww Charlotte... Looks like we're both back within 24 hours of each other after deciding to ween ourselves off the boards. At least you know that there's always someone to come home to here, though, yeah?


It doesn't sound to me like he has a stomach virus. He probably (definitely) has a virus, but it's all upper respiratory stuff. If he's been coughing, and especially if he's been gagging after coughing, then my bet is on the combination of fever/mucus/coughing causing his stomch problems. Also, excess mucus in his tummy could be causing his diarreah; it does that to my son, myself, and my cousins (that I know of for sure). My son vomits just about every time he gets bad respiratory stuff.


Doctors are always quick to diagnose virii in situations like this, for some reason. Unfortunately, there are very few ways for them to really know for sure what's causing the vomiting and such, and a virus is just kind of a best guess type of thing. In my experience, some doctors are worse at making diagnosis than their patients are; I can't tell you how many times I've had to diagnose myself, have them run tests and say "oh, I guess you're right", and then TELL them what medication they needed to give me. It's ridiculous sometimes.


Whatever the case, I hope you're all feeling better soon. Take care of yourselves.

[terified girl]

I think your mommy instincts are right. Its probably just the cold doing that to your son, and especially since he's so small, his little stomach can't handle much mucus, and thats what probably did it to him, and on top of it, if he was gagging almost everytime he coughed, it was probably the phlegm.


I hope your all doing better now, so I hope you try to get some rest, and know that this isn't a stomach bug.


Let us know how parker is doing.


Sonia

[crazybeautiful]

Charlotte, excellent!!! You did it! You cleaned it up and got through it. Doesn' that feel good?


Now about the little guy. I've said this so many times. Influenza (the flu, not the STOMAC flu) can cause vomitting and diareah in young kids. When I had the flu, I felt sick to my stomac and almost threw up because of so muich coughing. That could be it. Anways, I've gotta run! But I hope he's feeling better!


Let us know.

[2jo2]

I know I've had the head cold stuff and had no appetite and a sick feeling in my stomach. To a little kid, their way of feeling better is to v* that bad stuff up. To me, it doesn't sound like a stomach flu, but then I'm not a doctor. But just because the ER docs said it was, it's not necessarily true. Like Uidactinide said, they are quick to diagnose... I've had friend of the family go in to be diagnosed with stomach flu when it was actually the appendix had burst.... they don't get it right all the time.


Regardless of what it was, I'm really proud of you for cleaning it up and dealing with it! Way to go! About your pizza, would anyone really feel like eating after seeing v* all over the couch?? That would knock out alot of peoples' appetites. And I'm amazed how calm you are... you came on here to get opinions and not to panick. That's awesome! You did good!!!

[shiva]

You should definitely be sooo very proud of yourself that you were able to take care of Parker on your own. That is huge!


I know that if I don't take my allergy/sinus medication, I get very nausiated because of the mucus. Actually, my phobia started because my dad had bad sinus problems and threw up most mornings because of it. So, I would venture to say that it was probably not a tummy virus. ER doctors do kinda stink that way. Maybe you should take him to his pediatrician to see if he might have a sinus infection or something.


How is he now? Anymore vomiting episodes? My daughter has asthma also. She is 8 now, but had it very early on and is just now growing out of it. (knock on wood). So, hopefully he will grow out of his as well.


Hope all is well!

[ontariogirl]

Speaking with experience with Tyler when he was young like Parker (Ty was asthmatic, colds made it much worse) the phlem can make him vomit and can cause those poopy diapers to. I don't think he has the stomach flu, I truly believe that he has vomited from the yucky phlem. That phlem sits in his little tummy and he threw it up. Its like milk curdling in there. At least he is getting it out at both ends. Poor little guy, how is he feeling now? How is mommy feeling?

[donna1216]

I am so sorry you had to go through that!!! It definitely could have been the phlegm!!! Or maybe hot dogs and pizza upset his tummy!! My kids have barfed up both before!!! I hope you are both feeling better!!

[emetojackie]

I'm so sorry to hear that this has happened, but you have acheived so much from it and done stuff I couldn't even dream of..


How are you feeling now? I'm sure it was just them phlem, I think that can do that especially to someone as young as him..


Let us know his and your progress xx

[madisonsmom]

Hows everything now?

[charzysbebe]

Thanks guys for all of your kind words! Parker still has a high fever and no appetite. But...no diarrhea diapers, no vomiting, and his phlegm has lightened up some. I can still hear mucous in his chest when he coughs. Yeah, it sounds to me like some upper respiratory stuff too! My scratchy sore throat has subsided today, so we will wait and see what happens! [img]smileys/smilies_04.gif[/img]


Well, my husband, nor my 2 girls haven't had any signs of this virus yet! So that is a good thing! I figured, if it were a stomach bug, my daughters would have it by now, because they both kissed Parker "goodnight" after his Tuesday night episode of vomiting.[img]smileys/smilies_11.gif[/img]


Yeah, docs seem too quick to judge sometimes! Although the doc did check his ears, throat, etc....He said that the drainage was part of the virus, and that he had seen about 20 cases of the same thing, within the last 2 days!!! [img]smileys/smilies_11.gif[/img]I believe it is a virus, but not a stomach one...thank God! Atleast that is what I am thinking for now...lol!


Thank you all for you much needed support; for it had been a week or so since I had been on here. I will eventually make effort try not to come on here as much. I would say about once a week or so would be just perfect! [img]smileys/smilies_04.gif[/img]


I will keep you all posted on Parker! (and me) So far, so good! (just not good enough yet![img]smileys/smilies_12.gif[/img]) Charlotte

[SimplyMe]

WOW! You are soooo brave! Congratulations! I agree that if it is a virus it isn't a stomach one. The fact that he has asthma on top of what sounds like a respiratory infection is enough to make even worse. It was probably just from mucus and being a baby/toddler and being probably a little icky feeling from allt he drainage his little tummy just got upset. That could also explain the diarrhea. Poor little guy! I am glad that he is doing a little better and that you were soooo brave! That really does make me hopeful abotu kids.

[madisonsmom]

Referring back to my "is it ever going to slow down" UGH! 20 cases in 2 days of the stomach virus?? When are these "outbreaks" gonna stop.


Listen to this...I posted about this before...well most of it.


My sister in law and brother have a 3 month old baby. A very healthy one. He weighs 16 pounds and drinks 6 ounces of formula with 5 tablespoons of rice cereal (yes 5!) for reflux every 4-5 hours. Well, Thursday night she calls me and says "Skyler is not eating like he usually does" I told her not to worry about it. He might be having on off night. He was drinking 3-4 ounces. Well he slept all night did not wake up until moring still not hungry. Well she took him to daycare the next day and told the daycare mom that his appetite is not good. Well he got fussy about 10 in the morning and she fed him. Well he v* up everything she fed him. He slept off and on and had a d* diaper that blew out of this diaper right before my sisin law picked him up. He still had a loss of appetite Friday night and v* 2 more times.She ended up giving him small amounts of Pedialyte (she called the doc on call and he said it sounded like a stomach virus. Keep in mind that it was not HER ped that told her this) Sounds like a stomach virus to me too. She DIDNOT WANT TO HERE THAT! Well Saturday he was doing a little better but still had d*. Not too many diapers but is was d*. He did eat a little better. Well that night my sis in law ended up having tummy cramps and was v* all night into Sunday morning (about 4am). Well Sunday Skyler (the baby) v* 2 bottles and a major d* blow out. She said that he had reflux (Ok...some major reflux). Monday rolls around she takes him to the doc and he tells her it is NOT a virus because of the inconsistency. Well I know from experience that baby react different to sickness than adults do. Well Monday night my brother had it. She has no idea where the sv came from. When I said "It probably came from the baby because it is going around the daycare" She says his dr said it definitely is not a virus...HOW DOES HE KNOW? Anyway....I know its not a big deal but she calls me and asks me all these questions about him and I tell her what I think and she just says "its not a sv, its reflux..." Ok does it give him d* too.[img]smileys/smilies_07.gif[/img] Dont call me and ask my opinion! UGH! Some people.


Sorry so long...I will shut up now!

[kentuckygalrk]

Poor baby... sounds like a virus to me... but like you said it sounds like a respiratory virus and NOT a tummy one. I think us emets are quick to jump when we hear the word "virus" but we should all remember that viruses come in many kinds. I'll never forget having a respiratoryvirus that lasted for what felt like FOREVER... it seriously lasted almost two weeks and I wasMISERABLE. Iwent to the doctor after about two days of it thinking Ihad strep throat and whenhe said I had a "virus that just had to run its course" I nearly cried. Who'd have thought I'd be wishing for strep??? Lol


But it soundsto me like he's gagging andvomiting from all the junk in histummyfrom hiscold.Don't let him have ANY milk products at all. I knowit sounds like an awful thing to deprive a child of, but dairy products increase mucous and make drainage worse. Give him juiceor water for acouple of days if you can... it should help.


I work in the infant room of a day careonce a week for class and they have the croup and the dreaded RSVgoing around there like crazy. It's horrible to hear these 4 and5 month old babies coughing like seals and there's nothing you can do for them. Yesterday one of the little ones who's 6 months oldcoughed so hard and so much that she projectile vomited across the room... it is NO fun!


I really hope that he feels better soon!


~Rachel

[charzysbebe]

Referring back to my "is it ever going to slow down" UGH! 20 cases in 2 days of the stomach virus?? When are these "outbreaks" gonna stop.


Listen to this...I posted about this before...well most of it.


My sister in law and brother have a 3 month old baby. A very healthy one. He weighs 16 pounds and drinks 6 ounces of formula with 5 tablespoons of rice cereal (yes 5!) for reflux every 4-5 hours. Well, Thursday night she calls me and says "Skyler is not eating like he usually does" I told her not to worry about it. He might be having on off night. He was drinking 3-4 ounces. Well he slept all night did not wake up until moring still not hungry. Well she took him to daycare the next day and told the daycare mom that his appetite is not good. Well he got fussy about 10 in the morning and she fed him. Well he v* up everything she fed him. He slept off and on and had a d* diaper that blew out of this diaper right before my sisin law picked him up. He still had a loss of appetite Friday night and v* 2 more times.She ended up giving him small amounts of Pedialyte (she called the doc on call and he said it sounded like a stomach virus. Keep in mind that it was not HER ped that told her this) Sounds like a stomach virus to me too. She DIDNOT WANT TO HERE THAT! Well Saturday he was doing a little better but still had d*. Not too many diapers but is was d*. He did eat a little better. Well that night my sis in law ended up having tummy cramps and was v* all night into Sunday morning (about 4am). Well Sunday Skyler (the baby) v* 2 bottles and a major d* blow out. She said that he had reflux (Ok...some major reflux). Monday rolls around she takes him to the doc and he tells her it is NOT a virus because of the inconsistency. Well I know from experience that baby react different to sickness than adults do. Well Monday night my brother had it. She has no idea where the sv came from. When I said "It probably came from the baby because it is going around the daycare" She says his dr said it definitely is not a virus...HOW DOES HE KNOW? Anyway....I know its not a big deal but she calls me and asks me all these questions about him and I tell her what I think and she just says "its not a sv, its reflux..." Ok does it give him d* too.[img]smileys/smilies_07.gif[/img] Dont call me and ask my opinion! UGH! Some people.


Sorry so long...I will shut up now!

Yeah, well the 20 cases the ER doc was talking about were the cases that Parker has now...a probable respiratory bug. Ick! Sounds like in your SIL's doc was wrong! Sounds like it was a tummy bug to me! How could your SIL and brother get "reflux" from their baby?? Man, some docs are wayyyy to quick to judge! [img]smileys/smilies_07.gif[/img]


Have you ever noticed that one doc will say one thing, and another doc (with the very same case) will say something else?? Makes you wonder what doctors really learn in college!! I would say docs use their opinions too much, and not medical facts....but that is just me I guess. I guess we can't always take too much to heart when it comes to what they diagnose us or our kids with! (unfortunately[img]smileys/smilies_12.gif[/img])


I hope your brother and his family are doing good now!! [img]smileys/smilies_01.gif[/img] Charlotte

[charzysbebe]

I want to thank you all again for reassuring me! [img]smileys/smilies_04.gif[/img]


So far, Parker still has a fever and is cranky...and wants nothing to do with food. [img]smileys/smilies_12.gif[/img]Dunno what to do about it...guess just wait it out?


I will keep you posted...he is awake now...TTYL, Charlotte

[madisonsmom]

They are doing better.....I hope your little one is doing better soon!

[stella9]

Charlotte,



I cannot diagnose exactly what Parker has, but he has some kind of
virus. It does not sound at all like a stomach virus. I
high fever and respiratory symptoms sound very much like the flu or
flu-like illness.



If you look up, either on the internet or medical journals, the
symptoms for influenza you will notice that v*** and d*** are listed
for children and not adults. Children v*** from fevers. Ask
any pediatrician. Once my son was sick with a high fever and
terrible cough and he v*** (at the time he was about two years
old). My pediatrician told me that babies and toddler often v***
when they get sick with things other than stomach viruses. He
said it is the fever that causes the v****.



Stella

[charzysbebe]

Thanks guys! [img]smileys/smilies_04.gif[/img]


Well, guess what?? We took Parker to the doctor today, and he has double ear infections!! I figure either the doc at the ER overlooked it, or Parker was just developing the infections during the time of the ER. Who knows...I guess that explains today's HORRIBLE experience!


He hasn't eaten one bite of anything all day,(yesterday all he had was a little snack cup of applesauce and a few crackers/dry cereal pieces)andjust the site of food made him gag today. He hasn't had but 1-2 cups of gatorade either! Not to mention, I had stopped giving him his tylenol and ibuprofen to see if his fever would return, and sure enough...it did. (this was before going to the docs)He was shivering and just not feeling good. The doc said both ears are infected, and his throat was really red and raw. (no strep)


His ear infections got so bad by this afternoon, that he was staggering when he walked, and fell several times. He couldn't even (and still can't) sit upright. He has to lay down so he doesn't get so dizzy. The doc put him on Zythromax (5 day treatment) and the first time I gave him a dose tonight, he threw it right back up. (assuming it was because his fever was still high) So I waited for his fever reducers to kick in, and I tried to give him his antibiotic again...this time, chasing it down with a syringe full of water to dilute some of the thickness. He gagged on it a couple of times, and as far as I know, none came back up. (atleast that is what hubby is saying) Poor, poor baby!! [img]smileys/smilies_06.gif[/img]Can't walk, can't move, can't eat/drink and his butt is sooooo raw!.....It just breaks my heart!


He is nowpeacefully asleep in his bed. Gosh I hope he wakes up feeling better tomorrow! I will keep you all posted! [img]smileys/smilies_01.gif[/img] Charlotte

[ChippedAway]

To start off I'm really proud of you, even though you tossed the pizza, you cleaned him and the v' up, I'm sure that meant a lot to him to have do that for him!


Anyway, I'll keep the little one in my thoughts and prayers, sounds like no fun at all!

[emetojackie]

I'm glad to hear its not a virus!! I'm sure he'll make a quick recovery now on medication, and i hope he feels better soon poor little thing [img]smileys/smilies_06.gif[/img]


Well done to you again for going through all that, I couldn't!

[madisonsmom]

UGH! Madison had a double ear infection last month. They are yucky. She only ran a low grade temp and did not v*. But I can definitely see where itcan cause v* and high fever. It sucks when their sick!


((((((((((Get well vibes for Parker))))))))))

[jesskali]

Charlotte,

I am a little late responding to this post, but I just wanted to put my "two cents" worth in. I hate that your little one is sick. With asthma, children(and adults) can have something called "bronchospasms" which causes them to *v* as well. It is like their lungs go into a spasm and they are almost unable to stop coughing and gagging and inevitably the worst happens! This may not have been the cause this time but just keep that in mind for future reference!

Jess

[SimplyMe]

Aww, the poor thing! I hope he starts feeling better soon!

[donna1216]

My kids ALWAYS throw up Zithromax, so I request something else for them whenever they have infections!

[charzysbebe]

Thank you all once again for your input and encouraging words. [img]smileys/smilies_01.gif[/img]Parker is on the road to recovery now. He woke up, acting more like "Parker", which is wonderful!! [img]smileys/smilies_04.gif[/img]He actually ate some dry cereal, and drank some water!! He is now walking around (still staggering a bit) playing and tormenting the dog. He is laughing and making messes...and that is fine by me!! I am so glad he feels much better!


Now he just needs to eat more and stop "blowing up" his diapers! [img]smileys/smilies_11.gif[/img]ICK!!


I will keep y'all posted!! I don't think I could have made it without you guys! Charlotte

[2jo2]

Aww, I'm glad he's doing better. Poor guy.

[charzysbebe]

Parker is pretty much back to normal now..which is great!! [img]smileys/smilies_04.gif[/img]He still has a little bit of diarrhea, but it is not frequent. I think it is from a combination of his antibiotic and lack of eating the past 2-3 days. Hopefully it will clear up soon.


As for everyone else in my house...well, I had a bit of a scare tonight, and still may have reason to be scared. My 10 year old daughter told me tonight when I was doing homework, "Mom, my stomach feels funny". Not what a mother wants to hear!! I asked her how it felt, then she said sort of like butterflies?? But then she changed it to sharp pains?? I don't know what to believe when she talks about that kind of stuff. [img]smileys/smilies_05.gif[/img]


She had a talent show at her school tonight that involved dancing. She practiced dancing for an hour before the show(after school today with her friend) then she went to the show and danced, then she practically ran all the way home from the school with her older sister. (to try to keep up with her and her friends) When she told me she felt that way, she still hadn't had dinner because she had to go to the talent show, and be there by 6pm. She had 2 donuts at her friends though for a snack. But when she came home, she said she still wasn't hungry. After she told me about her tummy, then not being hungry, I told her to go to her room and lay down. Well, she fell asleep! A little later, I called her upstairs to ask her how she felt, and she said her tummy still hurt. She then got light-headed like she was going to faint (you know..the ringing ears, cold sweat,etc..) So she went to lay back down in her bed. I told her to take a bucket in with her "just in case". Well, my hubby went to go check on her not long ago, and he said,she said that she felt ok, and was just tired?? Who knows!!


In the past she has had serious constipation issues, that make her like this. I asked her tonight if she was constipated, and she said yes. So, needless to say, I am confused as to what her problem is. She had no fever. I am keeping my fingers crossed, that she doesn't have a stomach bug! [img]smileys/smilies_12.gif[/img]I will keep you all posted....but Parker is doing great!! [img]smileys/smilies_04.gif[/img] Charlotte