I have just read thread from someone didn`t V for 20 years. he/she completely lost control, & just could`nt stop it happening. I have had this happen to me as a child, my bodiy completely went against my wishes, & did its own thing. I felt so humiliated, & I`m still angry with my body all these years later. I think "how could you betray me & let me down like that, & make everybody laugh at me ( & they did!). I have`nt Vted for almost 14 years, & stories like that one make a bit depressed. I think, maybe I haven`t as much control over my body as I think I have, & my body is still as much my enemy as it always was.